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Global Warming May Force Pacific Nation of Kiribati to Move to Fiji
http://www.commondreams.org/further/2012/03/09-1

In what could be the first climate-induced relocation of a country, the leaders of the low-lying archipelago of Kiribati plan to buy nearly 6,000 acres on Fiji in case rising tides force their entire population to leave. Villagers have already seen seawater take over their homes, ruin crops and fresh water supplies and erode shorelines. The government is already trying to educate young people to help them survive in "the new lands." More photos.

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Kiribati might be sinking but that would more likely be thanks to earthquakes activity causing a sudden abrupt change in land level.

To say sea rise caused by global warming is sinking Kiribati is nonsense. Scary nonsense doesn't help sell global warming to skeptics. The skeptics point out the laughable nonsense, and then use it to undermine and bury the work of real scientists. Sometimes I feel crackpot ecologists hold back the ecology movement more than conservatives do.


The story linked to in the OP says Global Warming "may" be the cause in the title, and softly implies the idea of linking Global Warming as cause in the body of the story.

This story at PlanetSave is even worse. :evil:

The effects of global warming have been known for a long time. We have been warned. Unfortunately, we have largely ignored the warnings. As a result, we are starting to see the effects around the world. The first effect mentioned on that post linked above is ‘sea level rise’. It’s a big one, and some countries are already being lost to it.

For example, Kiribati (an island in the central Pacific Ocean) is now in the process of planning a move of all of its inhabitants to Fiji. The island nation just sits a few feet above sea level, and those few feet are increasingly threatened by global inaction on global warming and climate change. Even before the island is swallowed by the ocean, seawater will (and is beginning to) contaminate fresh groundwater essential to life on the island. ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_sea_level_rise



The bottom line is the sea level has risen about 8 inches during the 20th century, and currently is raising at a much increased rate of about 3 millimeters a year for the last decade. That's about an additional inch and a half.

Since 1900 the sea level has risen less than a foot. Since Global Warming has been an issue, about 20 years, the sea level has risen about 2 1/8 inches, the length of your pinky.

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Sea level measurements from 23 long tide gauge records in geologically stable environments show a rise of around 200 millimeters (8 inches) per century, or 2 mm/year.



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http://www2.sunysuffolk.edu/mandias/glo ... _rise.html

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http://coastalcare.org/2011/01/sea-leve ... s-beaches/

Panels from various states and nations have since filled in the predictive gap and come up with their own predictions. Almost all of the science panels agree that we can expect a minimum sea level rise of 3 feet or 1 meter by the year 2100. Hal Wanless of the University of Miami, chair of the Miami-Dade county sea level rise panel, believes that a 5 to 6 foot sea level rise should be expected by 2100. Rob Young and I, in our book The Rising Sea, argue that prudent planners should assume a sea level rise of 7 feet. Among other reasons for this opinion is the fact that life does not end in 2100!

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Yet in the December 27, 2010, issue of Forbes magazine is an article that argues sea level is not rising. Swedish geologist, Nils Axel Mörner has written a pamphlet entitled Sea Level Rise is the Greatest Lie Ever Told. These and many other expressions of skepticism about sea level rise are part of a larger deniers movement largely funded by energy companies and libertarian organizations. It’s hard to fathom how a 150-year record of tide gauges and 19 years of satellite measurements of sea level change can reasonably be refuted.

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http://www.climate.gov.ki/Climate_chang ... ibati.html

According to a report published by the World Bank in 2000, "the Pacific Islands are becoming increasingly vulnerable to extreme weather events as growing urbanization and squatter settlements, degradation of coastal ecosystems, and rapidly developing infrastructure on coastal areas intensify the islands’ natural exposure to climate events. Among the most substantial impacts of climate change would be losses of coastal infrastructure and land resulting from inundation, storm surge, and shoreline erosion. Climate change could also cause more intense cyclones and droughts, the failure of subsistence crops and coastal fisheries, losses in coral reefs, and the spread of malaria and dengue fever."

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http://www.globalislands.net/news/newsd ... 60&mfxsr=8

DISAPPEARING ISLANDS
PACIFIC

PAPUA NEW GUINEA

Bougainville's outer atolls are the most threatened. Amongst the worst affected island groups are Mortlock, Nuguria, Tasman, Nissan and Carteret. They are an 8 hour boat ride from Buka island in the north of Bougainville.

SOLOMON ISLANDS

TORRES STRAIT ISLANDS

CSIRO scientist Dr Donna Green has been working on the 14 inhabited islands scattered throughout the Torres Strait. Her recent report How might climate change affect island culture in the Torres Strait? has highlighted that half of them have been hit by unprecedented flooding from surging king tides. At greatest risk were the sandy coral cays of Poruma, Iama, Masig and Warraber in the central Strait, and the north-western islands of Saibai and Boigu.

COOK ISLANDS

FEDERATED STATES OF MICRONESIA

FIJI

KIRIBATI

In June 1999 it was reported two uninhabited islets, Tebua Tarawa and Abanuea in Tarawa lagoon, had disappeared underwater and the island of Tepuka Savilivili no longer has any coconut trees due to salivation.

MARSHALL ISLANDS

With approximately 1,225 islets in 29 atolls scattered over ¾ million square miles and an average height above sea level of 7 feet, the government has been concerned with the issue of global climate change for many years. Coastal erosion is evident everywhere and on Majuro atoll, the airport has flooded several times, despite an eight-foot-high seawall.

TUVALU

VANUATU

Tegua island is one of five coral atolls in the Torres Group, 650 miles north of Vanuatu's main island, Efate. In 2006 the only village of Lateu and its 60 inhabitants had to move to higher ground, some 300 metres inland, due to rising sea levels.

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Two Uninhabited Kiribati Islands, Tebua Tarawa and Abanuea, Disappear Underwater 1999
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1999: Two uninhabited Kiribati islands, Tebua Tarawa and Abanuea, disappear underwater due to climate change and rising sea levels. This is reported by the South Pacific regional environment program (The Guardian, 2005).

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Seeker from 1990 to present I used 56mm as the amount of rise, about 2.2inchs.

That top chart suggest about 62mm for the interval 1990 to 2010, 62mm equals about 2 1/2 inches. With three years cut off.

The second chart suggests a 3.2mm per year rise, over that same 23 year interval a rise of about 63mm, it would have been more, about 66mm except it shows from about July 2010 to July 2011 a decline in sea level of about 3mm, instead of a 3mm rise.

The third chart is more like the one I used, probably the same data, 2mm a year to 1990, and 3mm a year to now, If I used that chart 56mm would be the number, the same 2.2inchs, or about 2 1/8 inch.

The forth chart is a crystal ball view of a hockey stick looking 90 years into the future.

2.2 inches or 2.5 inches it's still about the length of your pinky. I think that island is sinking a whole lot more than the sea is rising.

Most likely the several feet of elevation which has been lost was caused by earthquake or just the rocks and soils settling. A guess figuring two feet lost elevation would be eleven parts earthquake or setting. To one part sea rise, about 2/3 caused by global warming, and about one third by historical rate of 0.9mm per year, 1900 to 1920 rise, before global warming became an issue.

I don't know how many feet of elevation has been lost overall, or over how many years. Two articles written about an island sinking, and that detail wasn't given. :?



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Two Uninhabited Kiribati Islands, Tebua Tarawa and Abanuea, Disappear Underwater 1999
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1999: Two uninhabited Kiribati islands, Tebua Tarawa and Abanuea, disappear underwater due to climate change and rising sea levels. This is reported by the South Pacific regional environment program (The Guardian, 2005).

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The fallacy of the single cause; "disappear underwater due to climate change and rising sea levels".

It couldn't possibly be due to earthquakes in the area, and settling? No! The sea rises 2 1/2 inches and by golly it's all got to be due to global warming. :roll:



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Subsidence of the islands is probably a cause as well as rising sea levels. It's also true that it's necessary to separate short-term cycles (El Nino etc.) from long term trends.

The fact that the Pacific seems to be the site of the fastest elevation is a factor, and given the number of Pacific islands that are affected, it seems hard to argue rising sea levels are not a factor/cause.

IOM estimates global warming will force 200 million people to move by 2050, a good portion being migrants in the Pacific from rising sea levels.

http://www.iom.int/jahia/Jahia/complex-nexus#estimates

I don't see it as a non-issue. IPCC and IOM doesn't, either. The governments of Kiribati and Tuvalu and the Maldives don't. That much I will say.

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Hey look, Ma: right on cue.

ADB warns climate change could spawn mass migrations
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asi ... story.html

MANILA, Philippines — The Asian Development Bank is warning countries to prepare for influxes of people fleeing natural disasters as climate change exacerbates rising sea levels, soil degradation and seasonal flooding.

Natural disasters drove 42 million people from their homes in the Asia-Pacific in 2010 and 2011, though it was unclear how many of those were caused by climate change, the bank said in a study released Tuesday.

It said that one-third of Southeast Asia’s population lives in at-risk areas, including Indonesia, Myanmar, the Philippines, Thailand and Vietnam.

Six of the 10 countries most vulnerable to climate change are in the Asia-Pacific. Bangladesh tops the list followed by India, Nepal, the Philippines, Afghanistan and Myanmar.

The study did not make any specific projections for migration induced by climate change, noting that the numbers are difficult to estimate as migration decisions often depend on a wide array of factors, including poverty.

“Given that climate change acts as an aggravating factor for environmental degradation, it is expected to boost the number of people migrating because of environmental changes, both sudden and slow onset. Though the amplitude of these movements remains difficult to forecast, climate change is likely to become a major driver of migration in the 21st century,” it said.

It cited the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a U.N. network of 2,000 scientists, as saying that the Asia-Pacific will bear the brunt of significant temperature increases, changing rainfall patterns, greater monsoon variability, sea-level rise, floods, and more intense tropical cyclones. Most scientists expect such changes to accompany a rise in the planet’s temperature caused in part by greenhouse gasses from burning fossil fuels for electricity and transport.

The region is particularly vulnerable because of its high population density and long coastlines.

Recent examples of such migration include Papua New Guinea, where residents of Carteret and neighboring atolls moved to the island of Bougainville because of rising sea levels.

In 2010, more than 10 million Pakistanis were displaced by monsoon rains and flooding along the Indus River basin, and last year, a typhoon ravaged the southern Philippines, displacing more than 300,000 people.

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And NASA lead climate scientist says:


http://insideclimatenews.org/news/20110 ... ?page=show





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WASHINGTON—Unless Hurricane Irene interrupts his travel, renowned NASA climate scientist James Hansen will join demonstrators today at the White House to protest the controversial Keystone XL pipeline. U.S. Park Police officers have arrested hundreds of participants since the sit-in began Aug. 20.

Thirty years ago, Hansen was among the first scientists to warn that burning fossil fuels was warming the Earth—and would lead to dire consequences. Frustrated that few were heeding alarms about the dangers of climate change, he turned to civil disobedience a couple of years ago. Twice he has been arrested for protesting mountaintop removal coal mining—in West Virginia in 2009 and at the White House in 2010.

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SolveClimate News: Can you explain why you have said it's "game over" on the climate front if the Keystone XL pipeline is built?

James Hansen: President George W. Bush said that the U.S. was addicted to oil. So what will the U.S. response to this situation be? Will it entail phasing out fossil fuels and moving to clean energy or borrowing the dirtiest needle from a fellow addict? That is the question facing President Obama.

If he chooses the dirty needle it is game over because it will confirm that Obama was just greenwashing, like the other well-oiled coal-fired politicians with no real intention of solving the addiction. Canada is going to sell its dope, if it can find a buyer. So if the United States is buying the dirtiest stuff, it also surely will be going after oil in the deepest ocean, the Arctic, and shale deposits; and harvesting coal via mountaintop removal and long-wall mining. Obama will have decided he is a hopeless addict.

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The hits keep coming ... let me move the discussion from Pacific Islands to something that might affect people here a bit more (including me, living in a state that is mostly near or below sea level) ... the coastal United States.

Rising Sea Levels Seen as Threat to Coastal U.S.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/14/scien ... .html?_r=1

About 3.7 million Americans live within a few feet of high tide and risk being hit by more frequent coastal flooding in coming decades because of the sea level rise caused by global warming, according to new research.

If the pace of the rise accelerates as much as expected, researchers found, coastal flooding at levels that were once exceedingly rare could become an every-few-years occurrence by the middle of this century.

By far the most vulnerable state is Florida, the new analysis found, with roughly half of the nation’s at-risk population living near the coast on the porous, low-lying limestone shelf that constitutes much of that state. But Louisiana, California, New York and New Jersey are also particularly vulnerable, researchers found, and virtually the entire American coastline is at some degree of risk.

“Sea level rise is like an invisible tsunami, building force while we do almost nothing,” said Benjamin H. Strauss, an author, with other scientists, of two new papers outlining the research. “We have a closing window of time to prevent the worst by preparing for higher seas.”

The project on sea level rise led by Dr. Strauss for the nonprofit organization Climate Central appears to be the most elaborate effort in decades to estimate the proportion of the national population at risk from the rising sea. The papers are scheduled for publication on Wednesday by the journal Environmental Research Letters. The work is based on the 2010 census and on improved estimates, compiled by federal agencies, of the land elevation near coastlines and of tidal levels throughout the country.

Climate Central, of Princeton, N.J., was started in 2008 with foundation money to conduct original climate research and also to inform the public about the work of other scientists. For the sea level project, financed entirely by foundations, the group is using the Internet to publish an extensive package of material that goes beyond the scientific papers, specifying risks by community. People can search by ZIP code to get some idea of their own exposure.

While some coastal governments have previously assessed their risk, most have not, and national-level analyses have also been rare. The new package of material may therefore give some communities and some citizens their first solid sense of the threat.

Dr. Strauss said he hoped this would spur fresh efforts to prepare for the ocean’s rise, and help make the public more aware of the risks society is running by pumping greenhouse gases into the air. Scientists say those gases are causing the planet to warm and its land ice to melt into the sea. The sea itself is absorbing most of the extra heat, which causes the water to expand and thus contributes to the rise.

The ocean has been rising slowly and relentlessly since the late 19th century, one of the hallmark indicators that the climate of the earth is changing. The average global rise has been about eight inches since 1880, but the local rise has been higher in some places where the land is also sinking, as in Louisiana and the Chesapeake Bay region.

The rise appears to have accelerated lately, to a rate of about a foot per century, and many scientists expect a further acceleration as the warming of the planet continues. One estimate that communities are starting to use for planning purposes suggests the ocean could rise a foot over the next 40 years, though that calculation is not universally accepted among climate scientists.

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Experts say a few inches of sea level rise can translate to a large incursion by the ocean onto shallow coastlines. Sea level rise has already cost governments and private landowners billions of dollars as they have pumped sand onto eroding beaches and repaired the damage from storm surges.

Insurance companies got out of the business of writing flood insurance decades ago, so much of the risk from sea level rise is expected to fall on the financially troubled National Flood Insurance Program, set up by Congress, or on state insurance pools. Federal taxpayers also heavily subsidize coastal development when the government pays to rebuild infrastructure destroyed in storm surges and picks up much of the bill for private losses not covered by insurance.

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The new research calculates the size of the population living within one meter, or 3.3 feet, of the mean high tide level, as estimated in a new tidal data set from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. In the lower 48 states, that zone contains 3.7 million people today, the papers estimate, a figure exceeding 1 percent of the nation’s population.

The land below the 3.3-foot line is expected to be permanently inundated someday, possibly as early as 2100, except in places where extensive fortifications are built to hold back the sea. One of the new papers calculates that long before inundation occurs, life will become more difficult in the low-lying zone because the rising sea will make big storm surges more likely.

Only in a handful of places have modest steps been taken to prepare. New York City is one: Pumps at some sewage stations have been raised to higher elevations, and the city government has undertaken extensive planning. But the city — including substantial sections of Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island — remains vulnerable, as do large parts of Long Island, Connecticut and New Jersey.

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Welcome to the Future.

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But don't worry, maybe the sea's not rising, it's the U.S. landmass that's sinking.

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appreciate that you live where you do, i would give anything to be able to live my current lifestyle but do it there

i hope you dont have issues environmentally and i hope i dont have an eq

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... Welcome to the Future.

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But don't worry, maybe the sea's not rising, it's the U.S. landmass that's sinking.


I've never said "Don't Worry," you're placing an ugly straw man before me Seeker.

Would it be fair for me to ask if you actually care if news is hyped and exaggerated with emotional fiction if it advances your point of view?

My argument is that real news is useful for figuring out what to do.

The climate is warming, that's real news, I read all about and figured out how to get my own contribution to CO2 emissions down to about 19% of that of my fellow Americans usage.

I think most people would like to read real news, and figure out what to do based on what is real. If the news looks outlandish it tends to disinterest folks, and it discredits the real news about the same subject.

I'm really actually a believer of global warming theories and I haven't sat around on my ass about it either.

I'm criticizing BS stories on both ends of the issue, those that are filled with hype and outlandish claims, even if they are howling that the world is drowning because of global warming, I'm here to criticize them for being unreal.

The real story is good enough to be moving, good enough to convince me to really cut back on my use of energy. Lies discredit the real stories, and undermine activism and effort to solve the real problem.

I think these stories about the islands which are proclaimed to be drowning and some are already gone, with global warming proclaimed to be the cause; when it's pretty darned clear that the sea level has risen only 2 and 1/2 inches are pretty darned outlandish.

It is sad that those Islands are sinking, it's sad but they do that. Sea mounts in the Pacific slowly settle and sink. It's happened to other islands too. I remember reading about it in a school science book when I was in middle school 40 years ago or more.



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Hey Sam, who did you vote for in the past election? Before that?

I figure you are a republican, or an independent (insert eye roll here) that votes republican?

You dont have to answer, but I have been wondering for a while now...I may have asked you this once before, if so I apologize, and again, none of my business, just curious.

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