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Anne Rice: 'I Quit Being A Christian'


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Anne Rice: 'I Quit Being A Christian'
The Huffington Post | Jessie Kunhardt First Posted: 07-29-10 02:15 PM | Updated: 07-29-10 04:16
Anne Rice, the bestselling novelist most popularly known for "Interview with the Vampire" and her other creepy vampire novels, announced on Wednesday via Facebook that she has officially renounced Christianity. It's a bold move for the author who has become well-known for her vehement religiosity; the majority of her frequent tweets are related to religion in some way. The author has also recently launched a new series of novels about angels, which debuted in October 2009 with "Angel Time."

Rice declared on her Facebook account that she is "an outsider" in the Christian community:

I refuse to be anti-gay. I refuse to be anti-feminist. I refuse to be anti-artificial birth control. I refuse to be anti-Democrat. I refuse to be anti-secular humanism. I refuse to be anti-science. I refuse to be anti-life.

Rice affirmed that though she has decided to leave the Christian institution, she "remain[s] committed to Christ as always."

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she just gained a lot more respect from me. (like that's worth anything right? :lol: )

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Nice timing. Now, will she come out as "undead" (technically, all of the living are "undead").

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Reaction from religion commentators is all over the blogosphere since Rice's Facebook blast at Catholicism. Here's just a sampling:


http://content.usatoday.com/communities ... atholic-/1


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If we are to have christianity, than we need more christians like Anne Rice.

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Maybe I'm just jaded, but this reads to me more like she's throwing in the towel on her ambitions to become Christendom's literary equivalent of Thomas Kincade.

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Can you reject religion and hang on to God?



Absolutely. IMO.

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What's interesting is that after the death of her husband she had tried to re-embrace Catholicism and even went as far as to write some books on the life of Christ. I guess she came to the same conclusion I did. Jesus isn't a very good Catholic. :lol:

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What's interesting is that after the death of her husband she had tried to re-embrace Catholicism and even went as far as to write some books on the life of Christ. I guess she came to the same conclusion I did. Jesus isn't a very good Catholic. :lol:



No shit :lol:

That fella from Tarsus had some real issues.

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it's great to see her decolonizing her mind


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LOL, she's still a Christian. She's just in some way rejecting association with other Christians. Tweets are really a bad thing. Someone could just be angry and feeling frustrated, and type something down and "Bam," they are racist or something for the rest of their life, because of blogger jerks.
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LOL, she's still a Christian. She's just in some way rejecting association with other Christians. Tweets are really a bad thing. Someone could just be angry and feeling frustrated, and type something down and "Bam," they are racist or something for the rest of their life, because of blogger jerks.
No one respects anymore the opinion of people who live with someone and actually know them.


I think I know what you mean. I'm an Anne Rice Christian, myself. I reject your convoluted tangle of nonsensical doctrines, eschew your violent history, built-in anti-Semitism/anti-Judaism, inquisitions, wars of religion, chopping each other's heads off over scriptures, Puritans hanging Quakers, Protestants slaughtering Catholics, Catholics slaughtering Protestants and Orthodox, Orthodox slaughtering Catholics, white bigot Christians burning crosses and burning down Black churches, continual refusal on the part of the most populous branches of xianity to ordain women, etc.

Christianity is more than those things, though, so at a certain point, disavowing them does little good beyond the individual doing the disavowing. Some things are cultural, and shared. When I'm in a room with others who were not raised xian, I'm definitely the christian; that's just the way the ball bounces. I'm also not likely to absorb much anti-xian hatred or become some scapegoat in those situations. I can also walk into a Catholic church and still have a good idea of what's coming up next, and how to act.

I don't think there is anything wrong with those things, but they are what they are. Outside of severe amnesia, they cannot be erased. Some things like my AME background I do not want erased. It's one of the foundations of civil rights activism in this country.

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Welcome to the club, Anne! I'm a recovering Catholic myself...it's great to be on the other side of all that jibberish!


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I think I know what you mean. I'm an Anne Rice Christian, myself. I reject your convoluted tangle of nonsensical doctrines, eschew your violent history, built-in anti-Semitism/anti-Judaism, inquisitions, wars of religion, chopping each other's heads off over scriptures, Puritans hanging Quakers, Protestants slaughtering Catholics, Catholics slaughtering Protestants and Orthodox, Orthodox slaughtering Catholics, white bigot Christians burning crosses and burning down Black churches, continual refusal on the part of the most populous branches of xianity to ordain women, etc.

Christianity is more than those things, though, so at a certain point, disavowing them does little good beyond the individual doing the disavowing. Some things are cultural, and shared. When I'm in a room with others who were not raised xian, I'm definitely the christian; that's just the way the ball bounces. I'm also not likely to absorb much anti-xian hatred or become some scapegoat in those situations. I can also walk into a Catholic church and still have a good idea of what's coming up next, and how to act.

I don't think there is anything wrong with those things, but they are what they are. Outside of severe amnesia, they cannot be erased. Some things like my AME background I do not want erased. It's one of the foundations of civil rights activism in this country.


I'm non-denominational myself, but I don't though walk by a Lutheran church and think I'm better than the people inside. I've walked in, and found very good people there.


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I think I know what you mean. I'm an Anne Rice Christian, myself. I reject your convoluted tangle of nonsensical doctrines, eschew your violent history, built-in anti-Semitism/anti-Judaism, inquisitions, wars of religion, chopping each other's heads off over scriptures, Puritans hanging Quakers, Protestants slaughtering Catholics, Catholics slaughtering Protestants and Orthodox, Orthodox slaughtering Catholics, white bigot Christians burning crosses and burning down Black churches, continual refusal on the part of the most populous branches of xianity to ordain women, etc.

Christianity is more than those things, though, so at a certain point, disavowing them does little good beyond the individual doing the disavowing. Some things are cultural, and shared. When I'm in a room with others who were not raised xian, I'm definitely the christian; that's just the way the ball bounces. I'm also not likely to absorb much anti-xian hatred or become some scapegoat in those situations. I can also walk into a Catholic church and still have a good idea of what's coming up next, and how to act.

I don't think there is anything wrong with those things, but they are what they are. Outside of severe amnesia, they cannot be erased. Some things like my AME background I do not want erased. It's one of the foundations of civil rights activism in this country.


I'm non-denominational myself, but I don't though walk by a Lutheran church and think I'm better than the people inside. I've walked in, and found very good people there.


I've found that "non-denominational" has morphed into just another denomination. You may like this - my father used to refer to himself as a "methacostal baptist" or some other made-up term "non denominationals" often use to denote they've moved beyond denominations. It's a very Protestant anxiety, but the humor around it is an improvement over lynchings and wars of religion.

I can get with the Lutherans, especially the ELCA Lutherans, the largest branch over here. Lutherans have some seriously nasty history, Deutsche Christen being one fine example. But once they got over here and had to compete with Catholics and about a bajillion other Protestants all screaming as loud as Luther himself once did, they calmed down a bit.

Today, ELCA is one of the mainline denoms that allow out gay clergy and is coming around on same sex marriage. http://bit.ly/3yXZay

A friend of mine grew up Lutheran Church in America (Missouri/Misery Synod) and is on her way to becoming a Luther scholar. In fact, I have some recent stuff I ran across on Luther in the mail to her, along with this movie The White Ribbon, which is my favorite movie right now.

(And don't tell nobody, but right across the street from the Mission in San Francisco, there's a Lutheran church that still has services in German. Always meant to go, still intend to at some point. More on the point about being a cultural xian, warts and all -- my little pre-literate German is terrible but because of common culture, services in non English languages are always interesting, because you have a pretty good idea of what's coming next, whether Orthodox, Pentecostal, Polish Catholic, etc. That sort of thing is interesting to me.)

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As a Catholic who doesn't believe in a lot of what the Church has to say, I've also struggled with this a lot. When I attend mass I don't really feel anything spectacular occurring other than being able to see other people who have made a commitment to follow Jesus and his teachings.

If one simply accepts Jesus' sermon on the mount, there really is no room for anything contradictory. The problem is that the Bible was compiled by a bunch of Church authorities seeking power and not the preservation of Jesus' teachings. I've read a lot about religions from other areas, particularly Buddhism and Hinduism, and there are so many similar qualities in those religions and Jesus' teachings that it is undeniable that there was some kind of spiritual awakening happening there. It's just that the Catholic Church from the outset compiled a bunch of writings pertaining to Jesus and changed shit, excluded shit, and muddled shit to the point of obscuring the original teachings.

I think the only way to truly understand Jesus now and his original message is to study other religions and find a unity within all of them. A great book that focuses on this unity is Aldous Huxley's "Perennial Philosophy." Otherwise, just look at Buddha's teachings and compare them with Jesus, you see virtually the same message in just a different way.

It's funny that the way Christian churches are designed now almost precludes this from ever happening. Christian churches almost always label Jesus the "only" son of God, and some interpret the verse "the only way to the Father is through me" as suggesting that if anyone who wants to go to heaven they must believe in Jesus, period. This belief cracks me up because often times people don't even seek to modify their bad behavior relying simply on the belief that they are incorrigible sinners and need only believe in Jesus to get a straight shot to everlasting bliss. This is just as ignorant a belief to me as blowing oneself up and killing others in the name of Allah to meet a bunch of virgins. Intolerance naturally flows from the belief that Jesus is the only true way.

I know most people on this forum will already say, "uh, yeah we know," but I don't think it's necessary to renounce Christianity. There's nothing wrong with Christianity, just like there's nothing wrong with Buddhism, it's just the perversion of it.


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