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I feel that if everyone that "supposedly" signed the recall petition had voted then I do not believe Walker would have won. Which leads me to believe that the petition was extremely padded with people that were not able (age) or just don't vote. (And I do believe that there were a couple of Donald duck's and Mickey Mouse's)


There may have been a large number of fair minded Walker supporters who thought the other side has the right to disagree, and signed the petition. Thankfully, the majority of people in this world are not ideologues. They believe in the system, and want everyone to enjoy the fruits of it.



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In Psychology there is a word called "defeatism" which is a psychological attitude of losing the game before it is over.

[flash=]http://dictionary-psychology.com/index.php?a=term&d=Dictionary+of+psychology&t=Defeatism[/flash]
Defeatism is acceptance of defeat without struggle. In everyday use, defeatism has negative connotation and is often linked to treason and pessimism, or even a hopeless situation such as a Catch-22. The term is commonly used in the context of war: a soldier can be a defeatist if he or she refuses to fight because he or she thinks that the fight will be lost for sure or that it is not worth fighting for some other reason. Again in connection with war, the term is used to refer to the view that defeat would be better than victory. The term can also be used in other fields, like politics, sport, psychology and philosophy.

(hypothetically) :prof:
If I were in Wi. and I had not yet made it to the voting booth
to stand in a long boring line of waiting; I would probably NOT go vote once I turned on MSNBC and saw that my guy was the projected LOSER. I'd get pissed of and say "Forget it, lets go have a beer." And go to the bar instead of the voting booth. :bong:

So yeah, YoSmite I smell what you're stepping in. It is a bunch of BULL SHIT that the TV is allowed to PROJECT a winner. If they were not ALL ReTHUGlican OWNED, I would hope that a democratic television station would put out propaganda that told voters to:
GO VOTE!
YOUR VOTE COUNTS.
IT'S NOT OVER TILL YOU VOTE!
VOTING IS VICTORY!
VOTING IS YOU'RE ROLE IN GOVERNMENT!

But no, those trout turds use the psychology of DEFEATISM by projecting that so and so is a loser and jack-ass is winning at a whopping 60% straight out of the gate. :owned: "Damn, 60%? How could my piddly-ass vote change that prediction?"

We CAN NOT allow the psychology of defeatism to affect our race. IT MUST be addressed, dealt with, and itself be defeated. :koolaid:
[flash=]
http://www.healthguidance.org/entry/550 ... itude.html[/flash]

Did you know that the antidote for the snakebite contains the same venom from the snake?
Defeatism usually starts small and is hardly noticed. It is FEAR in disguise.
Democratic voters MUST dominate defeatism by changing that FEAR into EXCITEMENT and ENTHUSIASM for the voting process. USE the fear to motivate you to conquer the opponent.
"60%? 70%? Bring it :flip: on because the game has just started and I UNDERSTAND the reSPUDlican game plan." THEY throw out lies to invoke DEFEATISM in voters.
DO NOT let them win at this game. In the next round...

GET OUT AND VOTE!


ARe YOU with us?

Then come people get to work FOR OBAMA! :groovy: :yippie: :goal:



:-|

THANK YOU LILA!!

[[[blank shocked face]]] staring into space and brain is saying WTF???

how could this happen? and how could this kind of crap be legal?

but thank you. i feel a little better after reading your post.

personally, last night i felt like it was the second worst night in my life. the first night was when i was raped. last night, this was right up there with pure grotesque money hungry evil souls, taking over wisconsin, with the next goal to take down the usa. wanting to throw up, take a fucking hot shower to get the crime and grime off of my heart and soul and my mind, eating some chocolate and ice cream to help drown out the lump in my throat, so i could at least sleep for a little while. before i had to get back up, face the world again in wi, with scotty at the helm.

however i still have to hold on to the rope that has a criminal john doe case attached on the other end and it will be pulled soon enough to pull scotty out of office and into the spotlight to prove that you can't do illegal acts to try to get elected. no matter who the fuck you are and no matter how much money you have in you wallet.

next time, i am keeping my legs together with an aspirin and not one fucking republican is going to get me.

:(

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It's been hard to find a site with some actual results, but here's one.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolit ... 77565.html

Looks like Walker won 53%-46%.

"F. Scott Fitzgerald" was not recalled. Neither were two other Republican state senators.

However, John Lehman, the Democrat, may have defeated the recalled Republican state senator, in District 21. They show him winning by a narrow margin, 51-49.

That one victory may be enough to change the balance of power in the state senate.

With Lehman's victory, they have a narrow 17-16 control of the chamber.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012 ... te-senate/

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I think this chart also explains what happened, and why overturning Citizens United remains priority #1 for progressives ... and any other opponents of plutocracy.

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In Psychology there is a word called "defeatism" which is a psychological attitude of losing the game before it is over.

So yeah, YoSmite I smell what you're stepping in. It is a bunch of BULL SHIT that the TV is allowed to PROJECT a winner. If they were not ALL ReTHUGlican OWNED, I would hope that a democratic television station would put out propaganda that told


There was a merge of several threads, and it's indeed hard to sort out what's being said.

Lila I'm arguing with Blue Adam and USA1 who seem to be saying we're, the whole of the nation is coming up on likely to be doomed. That massive cheating must of been behind Barret's defeat. etc. and negative waves. :|

I'm the one being optimistic here, and I have feeling like we will indeed survive. I feel I'm usually the one being optimistic, among pessimists.

I say there are other reasons, besides cheating and a system broken beyond repair, which led to Barret's lose. The biggest being out of state money, and what I saw in Barret, when I saw him at that TV debate. I had not started talking about polls until after the votes had all counted.

You say I'm the one who stepped into this defeatism shit you brought in here. No, you check your feet when you walk through the door, if you think something smells. :|

And for people who think this what ever it is, is going to spread, and will likely doom us all.

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It's been hard to find a site with some actual results, but here's one.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolit ... 77565.html

Looks like Walker won 53%-46%.

"F. Scott Fitzgerald" was not recalled. Neither were two other Republican state senators.

However, John Lehman, the Democrat, may have defeated the recalled Republican state senator, in District 21. They show him winning by a narrow margin, 51-49.

That one victory may be enough to change the balance of power in the state senate.

With Lehman's victory, they have a narrow 17-16 control of the chamber.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012 ... te-senate/


Wisconsin Recall Election: Democrats Gain Control Of State Senate

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/0 ... 72938.html

One Good Thing That Came Out of Wisconsin, They lost the state house, it's no longer a rubber stamp for Walker. They actually have to horse trade now.



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I feel that if everyone that "supposedly" signed the recall petition had voted then I do not believe Walker would have won. Which leads me to believe that the petition was extremely padded with people that were not able (age) or just don't vote. (And I do believe that there were a couple of Donald duck's and Mickey Mouse's)


I've never been one to feel that petitions are very meaningful. I think petitions are the sort of thing where one person holds a clip board in someones face, and the other person signs the thing so they can leave. :|



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I feel that if everyone that "supposedly" signed the recall petition had voted then I do not believe Walker would have won. Which leads me to believe that the petition was extremely padded with people that were not able (age) or just don't vote. (And I do believe that there were a couple of Donald duck's and Mickey Mouse's)


Great Day for folks on your side, eh!

Destroy workers rights, kill unions, fire more teachers and give more tax breaks to billionaires.

Wait, how does that help someone like you? :lol:

wow



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Not a great day for rethugs at all. Walker stays, but is likely indicted. They lose the Senate. The Koch agenda is stopped and there will be another election.

WISCONSIN DEMOCRATS

You put up a great fight for a lackluster candidate. Get someone now that has some personality for the next election. Had Barrett had anything resembling charisma, he would have won by 10 points! It isn't the money!

Rena, keep your head up! You may not have the victory you wanted, but you have victory anyway!

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In Psychology there is a word called "defeatism" which is a psychological attitude of losing the game before it is over.

[flash=]http://dictionary-psychology.com/index.php?a=term&d=Dictionary+of+psychology&t=Defeatism[/flash]
Defeatism is acceptance of defeat without struggle. In everyday use, defeatism has negative connotation and is often linked to treason and pessimism, or even a hopeless situation such as a Catch-22. The term is commonly used in the context of war: a soldier can be a defeatist if he or she refuses to fight because he or she thinks that the fight will be lost for sure or that it is not worth fighting for some other reason. Again in connection with war, the term is used to refer to the view that defeat would be better than victory. The term can also be used in other fields, like politics, sport, psychology and philosophy.

(hypothetically) :prof:
If I were in Wi. and I had not yet made it to the voting booth
to stand in a long boring line of waiting; I would probably NOT go vote once I turned on MSNBC and saw that my guy was the projected LOSER. I'd get pissed of and say "Forget it, lets go have a beer." And go to the bar instead of the voting booth. :bong:

So yeah, YoSmite I smell what you're stepping in. It is a bunch of BULL SHIT that the TV is allowed to PROJECT a winner. If they were not ALL ReTHUGlican OWNED, I would hope that a democratic television station would put out propaganda that told voters to:
GO VOTE!
YOUR VOTE COUNTS.
IT'S NOT OVER TILL YOU VOTE!
VOTING IS VICTORY!
VOTING IS YOUR ROLE IN GOVERNMENT!

But no, those trout turds use the psychology of DEFEATISM by projecting that so and so is a loser and jack-ass is winning at a whopping 60% straight out of the gate. :owned: "Damn, 60%? How could my piddly-ass vote change that prediction?"

We CAN NOT allow the psychology of defeatism to affect our race. IT MUST be addressed, dealt with, and itself be defeated. :koolaid:
[flash=]
http://www.healthguidance.org/entry/550 ... itude.html[/flash]

Did you know that the antidote for the snakebite contains the same venom from the snake?
Defeatism usually starts small and is hardly noticed. It is FEAR in disguise.
Democratic voters MUST dominate defeatism by changing that FEAR into EXCITEMENT and ENTHUSIASM for the voting process. USE the fear to motivate you to conquer the opponent.
"60%? 70%? Bring it :flip: on because the game has just started and I UNDERSTAND the reSPUDlican game plan." THEY throw out lies to invoke DEFEATISM in voters.
DO NOT let them win at this game. In the next round...

GET OUT AND VOTE!


ARe YOU with us?

Then come people get to work FOR OBAMA! :groovy: :yippie: :goal:



:-|

THANK YOU LILA!!

[[[blank shocked face]]] staring into space and brain is saying WTF???

how could this happen? and how could this kind of crap be legal?

but thank you. i feel a little better after reading your post.

personally, last night i felt like it was the second worst night in my life. the first night was when i was raped. last night, this was right up there with pure grotesque money hungry evil souls, taking over wisconsin, with the next goal to take down the usa. wanting to throw up, take a fucking hot shower to get the crime and grime off of my heart and soul and my mind, eating some chocolate and ice cream to help drown out the lump in my throat, so i could at least sleep for a little while. before i had to get back up, face the world again in wi, with scotty at the helm.

however i still have to hold on to the rope that has a criminal john doe case attached on the other end and it will be pulled soon enough to pull scotty out of office and into the spotlight to prove that you can't do illegal acts to try to get elected. no matter who the fuck you are and no matter how much money you have in you wallet.

next time, i am keeping my legs together with an aspirin and not one fucking republican is going to get me.

:(


:D Right On!



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FWIW, I think that several factors played in to last night, including but not limited to:
-Wisconsinites feeling that this was just a sore-loser redo of 2010
-The fact that it was Walker v. Barret underscoring the above
-Barret being lackluster, making it not a vote for Barret, but against Walker
-Memories of the fallout of another non-high-crimes-and-misdemeanors recall in California
-Purported low youth turnout (exacerbated by the Rs making it harder for college students home for the summer to vote)

But the biggest factor was THE MONEY. Seeker is (again) absolutely right. We have GOT to do whatever we can to get Citizens United overturned or made irrelevant. I think we got a little false confidence on the left with the defeats of Fiorina and Whitman in California in 2010. We have got to realize that the floodgates are well and truly open.

I also agree with those criticizing the lwnjs who whined about the President's absence. Obama was in Wisconsin in 2010, and those who are now anti-Walker didn't mobilize. Recall elections are almost always too little, too late. The President had to make a strategic decision. He tends to be good at those.

One silver lining: I think that something is reflected in the exit polls showing a big advantage for Obama over Romney--it has a lot to do with the weakness of being in a position to vote AGAINST the other guy rather than FOR your guy. Republicans by and large are not going to be voting for Romney. They're going to vote against Obama. And that's not a very convincing message to the people who will decide the election. It wasn't in 2008, or 2004 for that matter.

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Well stated JK! :)



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You Progressives did a fine job of putting Barrett over the top...Well done...

Don't you ever get tired of failing?



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You Progressives did a fine job of putting Barrett over the top...Well done...

Don't you ever get tired of failing?

The state senate has turned. Walker is now impotent. Deal with it.




Look at it's profile page :twisted:

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So,JK it is all in the wording, right?

a vote for Obama is not a vote against corporations, it is a vote for lower taxes
a vote for Obama is not a vote against the NRA, it is a vote for the constitutional right to bear arms
a vote for Obama is not a vote against heterosexual marriage, it is a vote for keeping government out of your bedroom
a vote for Obama is not a vote against socialism, it is a vote a strong middle class
a vote for Obama is not a vote against Palestine , it is a vote for Hamas, a terrorist organization, to forgo violence

etc...



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