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But sm, regulations are written in response to bad behavior by business. If companies were as benevolent as the ideal, then supply side might work. Unfortunately, there are too many historical instances of companies exploiting the lack of regulations that forced the need. Be it worker protections, anti-monopoly, or environmental, all regulations are in reaction to at least one instance of egregious actions by business. It boils down to businesses are run by people, and people are fallible.



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What we have here is Keynesian vs supply side. I’ll let you guys explain virtues of Keynesian if you care to


It's a very simple theory to understand. I'll give it to you in a nutshell.

Give tax cuts, or spend money on the middle class, they go out and buy stuff here in our own economy, increase consumer demand, stimulate economy, create jobs.

Give tax cuts to the wealthy - they spend that money in Dubai.

There you go. Keynesian economics 101. Why we favor tax cuts for the middle class, not the wealthy.

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If a company is left alone as much as possible with low if not no taxes and reasonable regulations to protect environment and worker safety, it can thrive grow and prosper.


Actually, some companies "thrive and prosper" under regulation, because government regulation actually removes some inefficiencies that make them less competitive. (5 has posted some stuff on this before.)

Think about it this way. Have you ever noticed that the better & fairer the rules are in a game you play, the more enjoyable the game? Whereas if you play with no rules it quickly becomes a lousy game? Government regulations are like those rules.

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It can compete in a world market which NAFTA gave us for good or ill,


No, NAFTA only linked the economies of three countries - for ill, mostly because it lacked sufficient consumer & environmental protections. But the world market is a lot bigger than the regional one NAFTA created. Indeed, regional trade alliances like NAFTA are responses to the larger global market. See: globalization, world systems theory.

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When said company prospers it hires lots of people


Want to know something interesting? Many businesses are doing far better in 2011 than they were doing in 2009, but they aren't hiring more people.

That's the problem with your theory. What some labor economists have found is they have additional workloads, but instead of hiring additional workers, they are making an existing 1 worker more and more do the work of 2.

Cheaper, "efficient" -- more profitable. Unfortunately, the profit motive often causes businesses to think in bad ways. They should be hiring more workers, but don't want to increase payroll. That would cut profits.

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All these people pay taxes and tax revenues go up proportionally.


Alas, the Laffer curve is a discredited idea.

Cut taxes - revenues decrease in almost every case, just like you would expect. The miraculous contra-phenomenon Art predicted somehow never materializes.

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oh seeker bless you, this will be our bagger 101 class, if this guy gets it now, we have hope, if he doesnt, we are doomed...i know, calling him a bagger probably isnt the best way to get him to talk

but he doesn't need to talk to me, and bill's description of these people in that he knows them, wow bill, you are leaving out one huge component to these hardworking sensible folks Idahoans, to the last one (almost) they are major bigots...i dont call them racists because as cj has repeatedly pointed out, it gets us nowhere

Idaho is a white power state...they are all there together because black and latino folk arent, at least not in any number or power...surely everybody knows that



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Isn't Idaho where that paragon of virtue, Mark Fuhrman, skeedaddled off to?

Yeah, no haters there :rofl:

You know what? You really ought to post in the bad jokes thread. Your stuff is perfect :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Close. He's in NE Washington. I had him as a client while working at a frame shop in Spokane Valley. Up until then I had Fred Goldman at the top of my "Biggest Pricks I Ever Had To Customer Service" list. Fuhrman wasn't as overtly prickish as Goldman, but it oozed from him so bad that my perpetually upbeat boss came back after dealing with him, shook her head, and just said "Yeeeucch!"

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Sickuo, thanks for the pics, they prove my point, we are nothing if not a diverse group.Yes we have our nuts just like anti bush rallys had theres, I recall pics of bush with hitler moustache, stuff like that. I have never seen anyone that nutty at two rallys I attended but there was a guy that looked kinda scary, covered with tatts and carrying a pistol on his hip.There was also a little old lady handing out homemade chocolate chip cookies which where best I ever ate! Can't get more diverse than that.


Fair point snowmaniac - to a degree. You live in wide stance country where folks post the ten commandments on their property along the highway like Burma Shave signs with the final one daring the ACLU and Liberals to tear them down. Coeur d'Alene has a reputation as the home to bigots, fake religious groups, and anti-govt radicals. Tea Party members in Idaho would almost be main stream centrists compared to the extremists.


I had just commented somewhere else that CDA is actually the more liberal end of the state. Still a minority, but not so bad as points south where you can stop at the corner store and get yourself a copy of that fabulous board game "Who Wants To Be A Celestial Heir" (no shit - it actually exists). Plenty of monied libs living around the lakes in the panhandle. Patty Duke does a lot of charitable work in the area. It's just that the Teahadists feel they have to be more vocal around there specifically because they don't have a lock on the area.

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Isn't Idaho where that paragon of virtue, Mark Fuhrman, skeedaddled off to?

Yeah, no haters there :rofl:

You know what? You really ought to post in the bad jokes thread. Your stuff is perfect :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Close. He's in NE Washington. I had him as a client while working at a frame shop in Spokane Valley. Up until then I had Fred Goldman at the top of my "Biggest Pricks I Ever Had To Customer Service" list. Fuhrman wasn't as overtly prickish as Goldman, but it oozed from him so bad that my perpetually upbeat boss came back after dealing with him, shook her head, and just said "Yeeeucch!"



OK, no furhman but there's this...

Idaho Pastor a Hard-Liner, With an Exception or Two

and this...

Idaho ‘Constitutional Militia’ Takes Shape

and...

Idaho’s Main Exports: Potatoes and Racism?


Idaho just seemed like such a natural fit for the furball. And sm, don't forget, this is the internet. There is a wealth of info right at the end of your fingers. I CAN come up with more examples of your "broad assortment of people with one main belief". Your words. Not mine :rofl: That was just three of the first four.

Fellixe, my condolences on having a slime like him in your town.

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North Idaho gets a bad rap because of the arian nations thing in Hayden Lake a decade ago. What gets left out of the conversation is Idaho did everything they could to drive them away. Finally they found a way to sieze their compound and that was that for them, their so called leader moved to the midwest somewhere I think, can't recall exactly where. North Idaho in reality is a mix of yuppie californians that moved here to get away from high taxes crime etc, old school hippie types and loggers. We all manage to get along pretty well.



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North Idaho gets a bad rap because of the arian nations thing in Hayden Lake a decade ago. What gets left out of the conversation is Idaho did everything they could to drive them away. Finally they found a way to sieze their compound and that was that for them, their so called leader moved to the midwest somewhere I think, can't recall exactly where. North Idaho in reality is a mix of yuppie californians that moved here to get away from high taxes crime etc, old school hippie types and loggers. We all manage to get along pretty well.


greedy yuppy californians who think they can leave the most advanced and educated state in the union to go to some hicktown to save a few bucks, fuck em

i spent time in McCall at "The Place" 38 yrs ago, when there were some actual hippies there and ski freaks, nowadways I suspect Idaho is mostly a bunch of scared white folks who think the black man is gonna get them if they are in the big city...sad

I work with people like you, and i have relatives like you...when it is just a couple of white guys sittin around talking golf or hunting or whether or not anybody will ever beat Jimmy Johnson, all is well until gays or blacks or latinos or asians come up, then all of a sudden the tone changes and you hear things like "i am not a racist, but"

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North Idaho gets a bad rap because of the arian nations thing in Hayden Lake a decade ago. What gets left out of the conversation is Idaho did everything they could to drive them away. Finally they found a way to sieze their compound and that was that for them, their so called leader moved to the midwest somewhere I think, can't recall exactly where. North Idaho in reality is a mix of yuppie californians that moved here to get away from high taxes crime etc, old school hippie types and loggers. We all manage to get along pretty well.



A decade ago? Ahem! From the third link dated, less than a month ago, March 7, 2011.

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Now, how do we know Mr. Steele is racist? Well, his “claim to fame”, as it were, is defending the Aryan Nations. Because of this, the jury selection in his case will have some fun voir dire. To wit:

According to court documents, to eliminate biased jurors, people in the pool will face questions such as: “Have you or anyone with whom you have a relationship or friendship ever held the belief or espoused the position held by or been a member of the KKK, Aryan Nations, National Socialist Movement, National Alliance or similar group which bases its doctrine on race or ethnicity?”

Another asks whether prospective jurors have “ever held the belief or espoused the position held by a member of a group which believes the federal government has no legal or actual jurisdiction or authority over state or local citizens?”


Come on you maniac, you know good and damn well what you are surrounded by. Do you really think we don't know how to read.

Srsly, you crack me up! Lookit here son, I say son, you're built too low. The fast ones go over your head. Ya got a hole in your glove. I keep pitchin' 'em and you keep missin' 'em. Ya gotta keep your eye on the ball. Eye. Ball. I almost had a gag, son. Joke, that is.

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I think I know a couple guys I won't see anytime soon in Idaho! LOL



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Dude. I've been to Idaho. I used to live in Montana. There is nothing impressive about Idaho. Of course that's the same thing people tell me about Ohio. And they're right!

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:lol: Oh, I don't know, Sickup, I always liked this song about the Ohio River. lol


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There is nothing impressive about Idaho.

huh?



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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho#Geography

The landscape is rugged with some of the largest unspoiled natural areas in the United States. For example, at 2.3 million acres (9,300 km²), the Frank Church-River of No Return Wilderness Area is the largest contiguous area of protected wilderness in the continental United States. Idaho is a Rocky Mountain state with abundant natural resources and scenic areas. The state has snow-capped mountain ranges, rapids, vast lakes and steep canyons. The waters of the Snake River rush through Hells Canyon, the deepest gorge in the United States.

Shoshone Falls plunges down rugged cliffs from a height greater than that of Niagara Falls. The major rivers in Idaho are the Snake River, the Clark Fork/Pend Oreille River, the Clearwater River, the Salmon River. Other significant rivers include the Coeur d'Alene River, the Spokane River, the Boise River, and the Payette River. The Salmon River empties into the Snake in Hells Canyon and forms the southern boundary of Nez Perce County on its north shore, of which Lewiston is the county seat. The Port of Lewiston, at the confluence of the Clearwater and the Snake Rivers is the farthest inland seaport on the West Coast at 465 river miles from the Pacific at Astoria, Oregon.[10]

Idaho's highest point is Borah Peak, 12,662 ft (3,859 m), in the Lost River Range north of Mackay. Idaho's lowest point, 710 ft (216 m), is in Lewiston, where the Clearwater River joins the Snake River and continues into Washington. The Sawtooth Range is often considered Idaho's most famous mountain range.[11] Other mountain ranges in Idaho include the Bitterroot Range, the White Cloud Mountains, the Lost River Range, the Clearwater Mountains, and the Salmon River Mountains.

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