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Okay ....... the Marine was not turned away...he refused to vote. That is his prerogative. He got his 5 minutes of fame.


No Ma'am.

He tried to vote the same way he has for decades beforehand. The poll workers didn't LET him.

He presented his voter registration card, and asked for a ballot.

Please answer his question: if that way was good enough for him to vote for several decades, why is not good enough for him to vote now?

BTW, when you get around to it, please explain to me why TN does not consider a university photo ID a "valid" state photo ID. I did ask, and you did ignore. As you often do, when I ask you something you can't seize upon to make a point that favors your beliefs.

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Okay ....... the Marine was not turned away...he refused to vote. That is his prerogative. He got his 5 minutes of fame.


No Ma'am.

He tried to vote the same way he has for decades beforehand. The poll workers didn't LET him.

He presented his voter registration card, and asked for a ballot.

Please answer his question: if that way was good enough for him to vote for several decades, why is not good enough for him to vote now?

BTW, when you get around to it, please explain to me why TN does not consider a university photo ID a "valid" state photo ID. I did ask, and you did ignore. As you often do, when I ask you something you can't seize upon to make a point that favors your beliefs.


Why cant he follow the laws that are in the state, (I admit it may be wrong, but I will follow them until the courts say otherwise), but it is the law in the state. The poll official offered to give him a provisional ballot, and he refused. He just wanted to be in the news. And he probably didn't get that much coverage (other than internet) as far as I can tell, our local news may have showed it once, (I was busy so I didn't see the noon or early evening news) But it they thought it was NEWs they they would be showing it over and over.

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He just wanted to be in the news

Jesus, you arent worth talking to anymore, fucking guy serves his country, does what rove and rush and W and cheney and the rest are too fucking chickenshit to do, and this is his thanks




Folks, I told you they hated veterans - too

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Why cant he follow the laws that are in the state,


Because the law is pointless and has no purpose? I've asked you several times to tell me what the law is supposed to accomplish. You have no answer.

I think people have a duty to disobey pointless, arbitrary, purposeless laws.

BTW, I see you're never going to answer my question on student IDs. So let me see what some other idiot from your state has to say.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/1 ... ?mobile=nc

Noticeably absent from that list, however, is a student identification card from any of Tennessee’s colleges or universities, which had been included as an acceptable form in earlier drafts of the legislation. Despite the fact that many states with voter ID laws accept student IDs as valid forms of identification, state Sen. Bill Ketron (R) — the law’s original sponsor — said student IDs were intentionally omitted from Tennessee’s version of the law because they are “easy to manipulate,” according to the Daily Helmsman, the student newspaper at the University of Memphis:

Senator Bill Ketron, who sponsored the law, said it was passed to prevent voter fraud, and student IDs were excluded as an acceptable form of identification because they are easy to manipulate:
“Well, between the public and the private universities, we felt there probably was not enough control on the issuance of those IDs as there would be in the state,” he said. “In the bill, you can even have an expired driver’s license or passport to vote. There are 14 or 15 articles you could use with a photo.”

There are also students who attend college who are underage and illegal immigrants, Ketron said.
Republicans across the country continue to assert that voter ID laws are aimed at protecting the integrity of elections, not at disenfranchising subgroups of voters that tend to favor the Democratic Party. But while evidence of rampant voter fraud that could be prevented by such laws is lacking, evidence that the laws primarily target demographics that traditionally vote Democrat continues to mount. Such laws predominately effect low-income Americans and minorities, both traditional Democratic constituencies. Now, Tennessee has explicitly drawn a form of ID issued to all of the state’s college students — another traditional bloc of Democratic voters — out of the law.

Republicans in Maine also sought to crack down on student voter fraud, only to find out from a two-month investigation that student voter fraud didn’t exist . Meanwhile, voter registration isn’t available for underage students or undocumented immigrants, making Ketron’s second justification for such an exception completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

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Hey look ma - equally pointless!

People fake driver's licenses, too - why not exclude those? It's all so fracking ridiculous.

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A provisional ballot for a registered voter. why not a real ballot?

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Oh....BTW Seeker if a student was unable to get a state issued photo ID (here in TN) without undo financial stress, all they would have to do is sign an affidavit to stating that and they would be able to vote on the voting machine.

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Oh....BTW Seeker if a student was unable to get a state issued photo ID (here in TN) without undo financial stress, all they would have to do is sign an affidavit to stating that and they would be able to vote on the voting machine.

Interesting that you live in TN and don't know your own state's voter ID requirements, and what you have to do if you don't have one.

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If you are a registered voter and do not have a government-issued photo ID, the Department of Safety and Homeland Security will provide you with a photo ID at no charge. Citizens may obtain these IDs at 48 of the Driver Service Centers across the state. (The only center where IDs are not available is the Driver License Reinstatement Center on Murfreesboro Road in Davidson County.)
From November 2011 through March 2012, Driver Service Centers in 15 counties will be open from 8:30 a.m. - 5:00 p.m. on the first Saturday of each month for voter photo IDs only. No other business will be conducted during these special hours of service. The counties with Saturday Driver Service Center hours include Shelby, Davidson, Hamilton, Knox, Sullivan, Sumner, Rutherford, Washington, Williamson, Montgomery, Blount, Bradley, Putnam, Greene, and Carter.
To minimize wait times, groups or organizations planning to bring several people to the centers for photo IDs are encouraged to make appointments by calling Linda Cone at 731-225-0924 or Wanda Adams at 615-251-5309.
Under the new voter ID law, in order to get a photo ID for voting purposes, voters must show the following documentation to a Driver Service Center examiner:
Proof of citizenship (such as a birth certificate); and
Two proofs of Tennessee residency (such as a copy of a utility bill, vehicle registration/title, or bank statement).
It is very important to bring these documents to the Driver Service Center. Under the law, the Department of Safety and Homeland Security cannot issue a photo ID without each of these required items. (If you do not have a birth certificate, ask to speak to a Driver Service Center manager who will work with you to identify possible other documentation to prove citizenship).
For a photo ID, each applicant must also sign an affidavit under penalty of perjury stating that he or she does not have a valid government-issued photo ID for voting purposes. To expedite this transaction, voters may print the affidavit here and sign it before visiting the Driver Service Center. Copies of this affidavit are also available at county election commissions across the state.

http://www.tn.gov/safety/photoids.shtml

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Oh....BTW Seeker if a student was unable to get a state issued photo ID (here in TN) without undo financial stress, all they would have to do is sign an affidavit to stating that and they would be able to vote on the voting machine.

Interesting that you live in TN and don't know your own state's voter ID requirements, and what you have to do if you don't have one.

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If you are a registered voter and do not have a government-issued photo ID, the Department of Safety and Homeland Security will provide you with a photo ID at no charge. Citizens may obtain these IDs at 48 of the Driver Service Centers across the state. (The only center where IDs are not available is the Driver License Reinstatement Center on Murfreesboro Road in Davidson County.)
From November 2011 through March 2012, Driver Service Centers in 15 counties will be open from 8:30 a.m. - 5:00 p.m. on the first Saturday of each month for voter photo IDs only. No other business will be conducted during these special hours of service. The counties with Saturday Driver Service Center hours include Shelby, Davidson, Hamilton, Knox, Sullivan, Sumner, Rutherford, Washington, Williamson, Montgomery, Blount, Bradley, Putnam, Greene, and Carter.
To minimize wait times, groups or organizations planning to bring several people to the centers for photo IDs are encouraged to make appointments by calling Linda Cone at 731-225-0924 or Wanda Adams at 615-251-5309.
Under the new voter ID law, in order to get a photo ID for voting purposes, voters must show the following documentation to a Driver Service Center examiner:
Proof of citizenship (such as a birth certificate); and
Two proofs of Tennessee residency (such as a copy of a utility bill, vehicle registration/title, or bank statement).
It is very important to bring these documents to the Driver Service Center. Under the law, the Department of Safety and Homeland Security cannot issue a photo ID without each of these required items. (If you do not have a birth certificate, ask to speak to a Driver Service Center manager who will work with you to identify possible other documentation to prove citizenship).
For a photo ID, each applicant must also sign an affidavit under penalty of perjury stating that he or she does not have a valid government-issued photo ID for voting purposes. To expedite this transaction, voters may print the affidavit here and sign it before visiting the Driver Service Center. Copies of this affidavit are also available at county election commissions across the state.

http://www.tn.gov/safety/photoids.shtml


I do know the laws. I worked the polls last Tuesday. I was talking about the day of the election. If a student was unable to get a valid ID they could sign an affidavit stating that they are financially unable to get an ID. What you posted was how a person could get an ID.

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Oh....BTW Seeker if a student was unable to get a state issued photo ID (here in TN) without undo financial stress, all they would have to do is sign an affidavit to stating that and they would be able to vote on the voting machine.

Interesting that you live in TN and don't know your own state's voter ID requirements, and what you have to do if you don't have one.

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If you are a registered voter and do not have a government-issued photo ID, the Department of Safety and Homeland Security will provide you with a photo ID at no charge. Citizens may obtain these IDs at 48 of the Driver Service Centers across the state. (The only center where IDs are not available is the Driver License Reinstatement Center on Murfreesboro Road in Davidson County.)
From November 2011 through March 2012, Driver Service Centers in 15 counties will be open from 8:30 a.m. - 5:00 p.m. on the first Saturday of each month for voter photo IDs only. No other business will be conducted during these special hours of service. The counties with Saturday Driver Service Center hours include Shelby, Davidson, Hamilton, Knox, Sullivan, Sumner, Rutherford, Washington, Williamson, Montgomery, Blount, Bradley, Putnam, Greene, and Carter.
To minimize wait times, groups or organizations planning to bring several people to the centers for photo IDs are encouraged to make appointments by calling Linda Cone at 731-225-0924 or Wanda Adams at 615-251-5309.
Under the new voter ID law, in order to get a photo ID for voting purposes, voters must show the following documentation to a Driver Service Center examiner:
Proof of citizenship (such as a birth certificate); and
Two proofs of Tennessee residency (such as a copy of a utility bill, vehicle registration/title, or bank statement).
It is very important to bring these documents to the Driver Service Center. Under the law, the Department of Safety and Homeland Security cannot issue a photo ID without each of these required items. (If you do not have a birth certificate, ask to speak to a Driver Service Center manager who will work with you to identify possible other documentation to prove citizenship).
For a photo ID, each applicant must also sign an affidavit under penalty of perjury stating that he or she does not have a valid government-issued photo ID for voting purposes. To expedite this transaction, voters may print the affidavit here and sign it before visiting the Driver Service Center. Copies of this affidavit are also available at county election commissions across the state.

http://www.tn.gov/safety/photoids.shtml


I do know the laws. I worked the polls last Tuesday. I was talking about the day of the election. If a student was unable to get a valid ID they could sign an affidavit stating that they are financially unable to get an ID. What you posted was how a person could get an ID.

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Except what you linked to does NOT verify what you said. From the pdfs located there:
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What if I do not bring a photo ID to the polling place?
• If you do not bring a photo ID, you will vote a provisional ballot.
• You will then have until two (2) business days after Election Day to return to the election commission office to show a valid photo ID.

Nothing about affidavit day of the election.

You are aware that primaries are run by the state political parties, and don't have to follow the same laws as actual elections, aren't you?

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Oh....BTW Seeker if a student was unable to get a state issued photo ID (here in TN) without undo financial stress, all they would have to do is sign an affidavit to stating that and they would be able to vote on the voting machine.

Interesting that you live in TN and don't know your own state's voter ID requirements, and what you have to do if you don't have one.

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If you are a registered voter and do not have a government-issued photo ID, the Department of Safety and Homeland Security will provide you with a photo ID at no charge. Citizens may obtain these IDs at 48 of the Driver Service Centers across the state. (The only center where IDs are not available is the Driver License Reinstatement Center on Murfreesboro Road in Davidson County.)
From November 2011 through March 2012, Driver Service Centers in 15 counties will be open from 8:30 a.m. - 5:00 p.m. on the first Saturday of each month for voter photo IDs only. No other business will be conducted during these special hours of service. The counties with Saturday Driver Service Center hours include Shelby, Davidson, Hamilton, Knox, Sullivan, Sumner, Rutherford, Washington, Williamson, Montgomery, Blount, Bradley, Putnam, Greene, and Carter.
To minimize wait times, groups or organizations planning to bring several people to the centers for photo IDs are encouraged to make appointments by calling Linda Cone at 731-225-0924 or Wanda Adams at 615-251-5309.
Under the new voter ID law, in order to get a photo ID for voting purposes, voters must show the following documentation to a Driver Service Center examiner:
Proof of citizenship (such as a birth certificate); and
Two proofs of Tennessee residency (such as a copy of a utility bill, vehicle registration/title, or bank statement).
It is very important to bring these documents to the Driver Service Center. Under the law, the Department of Safety and Homeland Security cannot issue a photo ID without each of these required items. (If you do not have a birth certificate, ask to speak to a Driver Service Center manager who will work with you to identify possible other documentation to prove citizenship).
For a photo ID, each applicant must also sign an affidavit under penalty of perjury stating that he or she does not have a valid government-issued photo ID for voting purposes. To expedite this transaction, voters may print the affidavit here and sign it before visiting the Driver Service Center. Copies of this affidavit are also available at county election commissions across the state.

http://www.tn.gov/safety/photoids.shtml


I do know the laws. I worked the polls last Tuesday. I was talking about the day of the election. If a student was unable to get a valid ID they could sign an affidavit stating that they are financially unable to get an ID. What you posted was how a person could get an ID.

Link

Except what you linked to does NOT verify what you said. From the pdfs located there:
Quote:
What if I do not bring a photo ID to the polling place?
• If you do not bring a photo ID, you will vote a provisional ballot.
• You will then have until two (2) business days after Election Day to return to the election commission office to show a valid photo ID.

Nothing about affidavit day of the election.

You are aware that primaries are run by the state political parties, and don't have to follow the same laws as actual elections, aren't you?




On the page where I linked.....

there is a video (in the upper left hand corner) that covers the different situations, more towards the end of the video. It goes thru different forms of ID that are accepted as well as those that are exempt, and what they deed to do to be able to vote.

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Who is exempt?

Voters who vote absentee by mail (view requirements here)
Voters who are residents of a licensed nursing home or assisted living center and who vote at the facility
Voters who are hospitalized
Voters with a religious objection to being photographed
Voters who are indigent and unable to obtain a photo ID without paying a fee


The last two will sign the affidavit on the day of election stating that they either have a religious objection to being photographed, or they are unable to obtain a photo ID without paying a fee.

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whoa, 4 pages of how to vote nowadays, use to be just show up and vote

must be a reason that isnt good anymore, wonder what it is

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Oh....BTW Seeker if a student was unable to get a state issued photo ID (here in TN) without undo financial stress, all they would have to do is sign an affidavit to stating that and they would be able to vote on the voting machine.

Interesting that you live in TN and don't know your own state's voter ID requirements, and what you have to do if you don't have one.

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If you are a registered voter and do not have a government-issued photo ID, the Department of Safety and Homeland Security will provide you with a photo ID at no charge. Citizens may obtain these IDs at 48 of the Driver Service Centers across the state. (The only center where IDs are not available is the Driver License Reinstatement Center on Murfreesboro Road in Davidson County.)
From November 2011 through March 2012, Driver Service Centers in 15 counties will be open from 8:30 a.m. - 5:00 p.m. on the first Saturday of each month for voter photo IDs only. No other business will be conducted during these special hours of service. The counties with Saturday Driver Service Center hours include Shelby, Davidson, Hamilton, Knox, Sullivan, Sumner, Rutherford, Washington, Williamson, Montgomery, Blount, Bradley, Putnam, Greene, and Carter.
To minimize wait times, groups or organizations planning to bring several people to the centers for photo IDs are encouraged to make appointments by calling Linda Cone at 731-225-0924 or Wanda Adams at 615-251-5309.
Under the new voter ID law, in order to get a photo ID for voting purposes, voters must show the following documentation to a Driver Service Center examiner:
Proof of citizenship (such as a birth certificate); and
Two proofs of Tennessee residency (such as a copy of a utility bill, vehicle registration/title, or bank statement).
It is very important to bring these documents to the Driver Service Center. Under the law, the Department of Safety and Homeland Security cannot issue a photo ID without each of these required items. (If you do not have a birth certificate, ask to speak to a Driver Service Center manager who will work with you to identify possible other documentation to prove citizenship).
For a photo ID, each applicant must also sign an affidavit under penalty of perjury stating that he or she does not have a valid government-issued photo ID for voting purposes. To expedite this transaction, voters may print the affidavit here and sign it before visiting the Driver Service Center. Copies of this affidavit are also available at county election commissions across the state.

http://www.tn.gov/safety/photoids.shtml


I do know the laws. I worked the polls last Tuesday. I was talking about the day of the election. If a student was unable to get a valid ID they could sign an affidavit stating that they are financially unable to get an ID. What you posted was how a person could get an ID.

Link

Except what you linked to does NOT verify what you said. From the pdfs located there:
Quote:
What if I do not bring a photo ID to the polling place?
• If you do not bring a photo ID, you will vote a provisional ballot.
• You will then have until two (2) business days after Election Day to return to the election commission office to show a valid photo ID.

Nothing about affidavit day of the election.

You are aware that primaries are run by the state political parties, and don't have to follow the same laws as actual elections, aren't you?




On the page where I linked.....

there is a video (in the upper left hand corner) that covers the different situations, more towards the end of the video. It goes thru different forms of ID that are accepted as well as those that are exempt, and what they deed to do to be able to vote.

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Who is exempt?

Voters who vote absentee by mail (view requirements here)
Voters who are residents of a licensed nursing home or assisted living center and who vote at the facility
Voters who are hospitalized
Voters with a religious objection to being photographed
Voters who are indigent and unable to obtain a photo ID without paying a fee


The last two will sign the affidavit on the day of election stating that they either have a religious objection to being photographed, or they are unable to obtain a photo ID without paying a fee.

But not students, as you stated a few posts ago. Sorry. You are wrong. I watched the video. It just stated the same exemptions as you just posted, which doesn't include broke students.

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Oh....BTW Seeker if a student was unable to get a state issued photo ID (here in TN) without undo financial stress, all they would have to do is sign an affidavit to stating that and they would be able to vote on the voting machine.

Interesting that you live in TN and don't know your own state's voter ID requirements, and what you have to do if you don't have one.

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If you are a registered voter and do not have a government-issued photo ID, the Department of Safety and Homeland Security will provide you with a photo ID at no charge. Citizens may obtain these IDs at 48 of the Driver Service Centers across the state. (The only center where IDs are not available is the Driver License Reinstatement Center on Murfreesboro Road in Davidson County.)
From November 2011 through March 2012, Driver Service Centers in 15 counties will be open from 8:30 a.m. - 5:00 p.m. on the first Saturday of each month for voter photo IDs only. No other business will be conducted during these special hours of service. The counties with Saturday Driver Service Center hours include Shelby, Davidson, Hamilton, Knox, Sullivan, Sumner, Rutherford, Washington, Williamson, Montgomery, Blount, Bradley, Putnam, Greene, and Carter.
To minimize wait times, groups or organizations planning to bring several people to the centers for photo IDs are encouraged to make appointments by calling Linda Cone at 731-225-0924 or Wanda Adams at 615-251-5309.
Under the new voter ID law, in order to get a photo ID for voting purposes, voters must show the following documentation to a Driver Service Center examiner:
Proof of citizenship (such as a birth certificate); and
Two proofs of Tennessee residency (such as a copy of a utility bill, vehicle registration/title, or bank statement).
It is very important to bring these documents to the Driver Service Center. Under the law, the Department of Safety and Homeland Security cannot issue a photo ID without each of these required items. (If you do not have a birth certificate, ask to speak to a Driver Service Center manager who will work with you to identify possible other documentation to prove citizenship).
For a photo ID, each applicant must also sign an affidavit under penalty of perjury stating that he or she does not have a valid government-issued photo ID for voting purposes. To expedite this transaction, voters may print the affidavit here and sign it before visiting the Driver Service Center. Copies of this affidavit are also available at county election commissions across the state.

http://www.tn.gov/safety/photoids.shtml


I do know the laws. I worked the polls last Tuesday. I was talking about the day of the election. If a student was unable to get a valid ID they could sign an affidavit stating that they are financially unable to get an ID. What you posted was how a person could get an ID.

Link

Except what you linked to does NOT verify what you said. From the pdfs located there:
Quote:
What if I do not bring a photo ID to the polling place?
• If you do not bring a photo ID, you will vote a provisional ballot.
• You will then have until two (2) business days after Election Day to return to the election commission office to show a valid photo ID.

Nothing about affidavit day of the election.

You are aware that primaries are run by the state political parties, and don't have to follow the same laws as actual elections, aren't you?




On the page where I linked.....

there is a video (in the upper left hand corner) that covers the different situations, more towards the end of the video. It goes thru different forms of ID that are accepted as well as those that are exempt, and what they deed to do to be able to vote.

Quote:
Who is exempt?

Voters who vote absentee by mail (view requirements here)
Voters who are residents of a licensed nursing home or assisted living center and who vote at the facility
Voters who are hospitalized
Voters with a religious objection to being photographed
Voters who are indigent and unable to obtain a photo ID without paying a fee


The last two will sign the affidavit on the day of election stating that they either have a religious objection to being photographed, or they are unable to obtain a photo ID without paying a fee.

But not students, as you stated a few posts ago. Sorry. You are wrong. I watched the video. It just stated the same exemptions as you just posted, which doesn't include broke students.


If a student is indigent and unable to obtain a photo ID without paying a fee then they would be able to vote.

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Further, let's see who HAS been excluded from obtaining a state ID and voting in TN:
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Late last year, in the wake of passage of TN's new law, we documented the story of Thelma Mitchell, the 93-year old African-American woman who cleaned the state capitol for 30 years, including the office of the Governor. Her expired state ID, she was told, would not meet the requirements for voting under the new laws. However, as she was born by a midwife in 1918, she never had a birth certificate. While attempting to obtain a voting ID at the State Drivers Center, she was reportedly told by the clerk that she might be an illegal immigrant.

In October of last year, we told the story of Tennessee's 96-year old Dorothy Cooper. Though she was born before women had the right to vote in this country, and then had voted for some 70 years without a problem --- even during the years of Jim Crow in the South --- she was unable to receive her "free" ID when she had attempted to do so. She had been able to present her birth certificate and several other forms of ID to prove her residency when attempting to receive her "free" ID, however her named was changed when she got married decades ago, and she had been unable to find her marriage license to present to the state. Without that, she was unable to prove her U.S. citizenship as required by the new voter suppression law.

These stories, and many others like them, as we've been reporting for months, are likely to become more and more frequent as more formerly legal U.S. citizen voters find themselves without the right to vote in free and fair elections as the 2012 Presidential Election cycle heats up, and as more such laws around the country begin to take effect.

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=9162

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