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There was a commentator on Al Sharpton's show last Friday ( I believe he was a former state prosecutor) who said it is plainly evident that Zimmerman was arrested as he was brought in, in handcuffs. Also, no one can legally be un-arrested in the state of Florida. Even if you were arrested for a DUI and blew a 0.00, you have to be processed before being released. The fact that he was released without going through required processing is beyond belief and what is worse is that if you are not processed, one way or another, within 170 days of being taken in, you cannot be arrested for the same offense should they wish to prosecute. All of this is a well done stall tactic by the Zimmermans and their politically connected friends. This is something the Feds can easily step in to remedy.

OK, Detained is not the same as arrested, and no cop will put in his car without restraints if your detained for questioning. If you have a flat tire and they give you a lift, YOU'RE NOT BEING DETAINED!!! He was cuffed because he just shot and killed some one!!! Also there is no statute of limitations for murderous crimes. Geez, get with it...

This is a point that will be determined by the specifics of local law, but by and large Tap is absolutely right. Without an arrest filed with charges described this was a detainment and not an arrest.

It may even happen that Zimmerman may have acase to call this arrest in civil court while it continues to fail to meet the standard of an arrest for criminal procedural purposes - this being the crux of the claim that there is a 175 day or what have you time frame in which charges must be filed.

Randi played those 911 calls today as I was driving back from home to my office, and now that I can use my iphone to listen to her in my car, I was, listening.

But as soon as those tapes start I turn the volume off, I have done the same thing on tv, I just cant listen to that poor child being murdered. Cant do it, maybe I should, maybe it is more real and important if I do...but it hurts when I hear shit like that.

Did you mean to post this somewhere else

I suppose, it could have gone in the main Trayvon thread...

I was under the impression that the lead detective, Serino, wanted Zimmerman arrested and was overruled by the State Attorney, AFTER he was cuffed. He did want Zimmerman charged with manslaughter and since the State Attorney didn't intercede until after this 'detaining', wasn't he technically under arrest, considering the nature of the crime?
Until a fuller understanding of what Zimmerman actually went through before he was released, concluding that this was a 'detaining' is a bit much.
Buying into the police version as a viable alternative version strains credulity.
I believe this was the point of the gentleman on Al Sharpton's show.

If he was under arrest in the surveillance video, that is one of the oddest "perp walks" I have ever seen.

They basically let him walk into the station "under his own power" so to speak ... that's not typical for "under arrest" where a pair of helpful "police hands" will "guide" (i.e. push) you where you are to go.

You seem to be leaping to unfounded conclusions, and I'm particularly concerned about any effort to push people away from the facts of the case by trying to cast them as buying into the police version. If you can point to an arrest report then calling it a detention might be "a bit much." But without one it is a legitimate argument.

And don't buy into everyone on Al's showor anyone else's. If you haven't noticed yet the folks on television tend to interview people with a wide range of opinions.

Point taken.

Considering the responses from the police, the lead detective, and the orchestrated media circus that the Zimmerman family has done, questioning what has transpired is reasonable and not really that much of a leap of faith.
And considering the casual nature Zimmerman exhibited while in custody, only gives rise to lots of speculation as to what kind of relationship he has with the local police.

It's always so much nicer when reasonable people disagree

I know what you mean. It's why I haven't listened to them, either. I have a lot of shit in my collection - Birth of A Nation, Rufus Jones for President, Wonder Bar, all manner of anti-Asian, anti-Latino, antigay, antisemitic, anti-minority materials.

But some of the stuff with Trayvon has crossed over into snuff material, along the lines of Videodrome....and not just some closed-circuit cable propaganda channel, either.

Exactly how I feel about a LOT of 911 calls, AND the Trayvon tapes. Same with that tape of Horn and his shooting in Texas.

The latter doesn't even have the victim's shrieking, but when that mother-fucker with the shotgun says "Hello, you're dead' (which SOME transcripts report as "Move, you're dead") and then fires, to me ... that's "snuff material."

I'm really truly disgusted by the sick fucks who LOVE to listen to shit like this. And in my experience, it's often assholes like Zimmerman.

People love a performance of Black Pathos, it's true. It's why I used to offer my old "why don't I just tapdance on the table for you" snark, which later just morphed into plain old "Showbiz..."

This has a history.

Other minorities, too, we're not the only ones.

Remember that fascists and their ilk are extremely barbaric. That is their fundamental nature. When they get into power, the very worst acts of barbarity imaginable are inflicted. Conservatives, by virtue of their innate psychopathy, are a danger to themselves and others.

Can we imagine what's going to happen if a lunatic like Santorum gets control of the world's largest nuclear arsenal?