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Are you kidding me????

The news report that I saw about this was VERY clear about Planned Parenthood terminating the employee that went outside of their policy in the discussion of this....but do you think that this would EVER be focused on??? Oh hell, no...

Oh yeah... that reminds me....when some bat-sh*t crazy Re-Pig barfs something like this on the floor WHERE is the representative with some SPINE to ask "and what would you call the selective mis-fire of sperm outside of a vagina, Sir???"

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Are you kidding me????

The news report that I saw about this was VERY clear about Planned Parenthood terminating the employee that went outside of their policy in the discussion of this....but do you think that this would EVER be focused on??? Oh hell, no...

Oh yeah... that reminds me....when some bat-sh*t crazy Re-Pig barfs something like this on the floor WHERE is the representative with some SPINE to ask "and what would you call the selective mis-fire of sperm outside of a vagina, Sir???"

Gawds...

Crickette


I'm pretty sure they'd call it NOT getting a face full of steaming sperm.

I wouldn't call it that, but I'm not in anyone's vagina.




Oh, I almost forgot to mention this, men do not view that activity as being a mis-fire.



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Just as with voter fraud, Republicans seem determined to pass laws that
a) prevent things that never happen (it isn't even a problem among Asian Americans, either)
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b) take away other substantive rights while doing it

Yes, this is the foot in the door. In the 1st trimester, when abortions are elective, women do not have to give a "reason" to their doctor as to why they are seeking one. That's what's meant by "choice". This now opens the door to doctors having to query women as to why they're having an abortion - at any point in the pregnancy.

Of course, prior to us being able to examine the chromosomes with modern day genetic technology, it was usually impossible to determine if foetuses were male or female until the 2nd trimester.

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http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/201 ... flim-flam/

It’s pretty rare these days to read good news about the religious-right’s 40-year-old battle to negate Roe v Wade. But last night, the House rejected a bill designed to erect new barriers to legal and safe abortions under the guise of preventing gender selection.

Sponsors introduced the bill last year as “the Susan B. Anthony and Frederick Douglass Prenatal Nondiscrimination Act”—with Ms. Anthony representing all women and Mr. Douglass all non-whites. (A provision stripped out before the vote would have outlawed racially motivated abortions.) They almost certainly knew it stood no chance in the Senate. The idea was to make Democrats who voted against the bill in the House look as though they were discriminating against women.

Republicans were shameless in using that spin in the House debate. “A vote against ending sex-selection abortion is a vote in favor of gender bias and female gendercide,” said Rep. Marsha Blackburn.

Rep. Chris Smith said, “In many countries including our own, it could be a death sentence. Today the three most dangerous words in China and India are, ‘It’s a girl.’ We can’t let that happen here.”

I think the three most dangerous words in China are “Communist party rule,” but Mr. Smith is right, we can’t let that happen here. Good thing it’s not actually happening.

The Guttmacher Institute has found that while there is some (limited) evidence of son preference among Chinese-, Indian- and Korean-American families when older children are daughters, “the U.S. sex ratio at birth in 2005 stood at 105 boys to 100 girls, squarely within biologically normal parameters.

Anyway, I doubt the bill would mitigate the non-problem it sets out to correct. China and India, where aborting female fetuses is indeed an endemic issue, have sex-selection bans in place that don’t work, because they’re virtually impossible to enforce. Sonogram technology is so prevalent, even in poverty-stricken countries, that a woman can easily determine the gender of her baby in one place and get an abortion in another.

So a ban wouldn’t work, but it would turn every pregnant woman’s conversations with a doctor, nurse or therapist into inquisitions. The bill imposes criminal penalties on doctors who performed abortions for sex selection, and on medical and mental-health professionals who did not report suspected violations.

Proponents of this law note that even the United Kingdom and Canada have legal restrictions on sex-selection. The governments in those countries, however, are solidly pro-choice and haven’t given their citizens a reason to fear a slippery slope. They don’t have gangs of anti-abortionists who picket clinics or kill providers, or pass legislation aimed at denying abortion access to poorer women.

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Susan B. Anthony as in Susan B. Anthony List. Hmm, I wonder who wrote this bill?

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Hmmm, I wonder about the point of all this, once again.

The standard way to determine a foetus' sex is through ultrasound, which according to this website isn't possible until the 16th week - well into the 2nd trimester.

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/ ... ekey=52367

You can do it through amnio or that other test, but no doctor will do amnio solely for the reason of determining the sex of your child, it's only normally to screen for another genetic abnormalities. Point is, you can't go to the doctor and say, "do amnio and tell me the sex of my pre born foetus" (solely).

And I don't think you can do amnio very early in the pregnancy, either. Remember that 90% of abortions take place very early. Prior to when either of these types of tests are usually available or doable. Ergo, the overwhelming majority of abortions have nothing to do with sex selection. Because at that point the sex of the foetus is unknowable.

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Seeker, an amino is done using an ultrasound unit to guide the needle which draws the amino fluid. It's usually done between the 15th to 20th week.

I've seen the procedure done myself, it was about the 20th week as I recall. And before the procedure was done I knew that my son was going to be a son, and that he was going to be left handed, and that he would be able to grin mighty big. I didn't need the doctor to say anything I could see it, and see it well. And it turned out to be true too, all of it.

The doctor seemed to be a bit red faced and embarrassed about it somehow, she did manage to sort of mumble a bit and finally said, "Umm, well, he certainly is a boy, and look at him grinning in there."

But she did not want to talk about what my son was doing with his left hand, and ignored me and my wife while we were talking about what he was doing in there with his left hand.

Yeah, at 20 weeks it's a for sure person in there. And I don't care what anyone else says about that, I've seen it with my own eyes.



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Republicans regulating the womb so they can preceed to legislating forced abortions also you know



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all i can say about the subject has been said before. Bad Religion said it all too well, i'll just leave it to them:

Bad Religion - Don't Pray On Me/"Recipe For Hate" 1993
Lyrics:
A grizzly scene on my electron beam
Told a story about human rights
So all of King's horses and all of King's men
Had a riot for two days and nights
Well, the city exploded but the gates wouldn't open
So the company asked him to quit
Now everybody's equal
Just don't measure it

Well, Hanson did it to Hester
And Mark David did it to John
And maybe Jack did it to Marilyn
But he did it to South Vietnam
For beauty and glory
For money, love, and country
Now everybody's doing it
Don't do that to me

A bitter debate and a feminine fate
Lie in tandem like two precious babes
While the former gets warmer, it's the latter that matters
Except on the nation's airwaves
And custodians of public opinion stay fat
After vainly discussing her rights
Lay hands off her body
It's not your fucking life

Now I don't know what stopped Jesus Christ
From turning every hungry stone into bread
And I don't remember hearing how Moses reacted
When the innocent first born sons lay dead
Well, I guess God was a lot more demonstrative
Back when he flamboyantly parted the sea
Now everybody's praying
Don't pray on me

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