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Joined: Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:38 pm Posts: 5087 Location: in the universal flow
motown223 wrote:
Trump is opening a Pandora's Box even he won't be able to shut. By questioning President Obama's attendance at college and/or law school, now anyone could be subject to investigation. Ever since Page Walton paid someone to attend classes for her, I have been wondering if any other rich kid actually earned their degrees. Did Ivanka actually earn that MBA at Wharton and write her own papers? Just asking?
SAVE THE FETUS STARVE THE CHILD … The Corporate enslaving of the of the masses.
In listening to the topics being discussed I can not help but see the connection of the enslaving of the masses as the underlying foundation of all that has transpired. While listening to Thom Hartman's show the other day he was discussing the issue of our toxic computer garbage being sent to poor countries where they are hiring children to salvage profitable components from old computers without protective equipment or knowledge of what they were being exposed to. The argument that the gentleman had given to Thom to justify this was that they are starving and would we rather them starve? Randi's statement "save the fetus starve the child" came to mind. The real question is are we helping to enable the masses to lift out of poverty or do we enable the enslavers to suppress those efforts to maintain and increase populations of slaves. The budget battle is about cutting investment in we the people and lifting the masses out of starvation or investing that money in that which would enslave we the people. Everything from union busting, deregulation, racism, antiabortion, electoral proceedings and financing, social security, healthcare, etc.
We the people and our future generations along with our towns are being starved into slavery plain and simple.
I loved Thom's discussion in regards to the history that led up to the Citizens United ruling. Edward G. Ryan was correct in his view of the future questions that we would have to ask ourselves.
" Which shall rule, wealth or man? Which shall lead, money or intellect? Which shall fill public station, educated and patriotic free men or the futile serfs of corporate capital? "
Thank you Randi and Thom for sharing your wisdom and dedicating so much of your energy the the important task of educating We the People. You are true patriots and a gifted and bright light in the darkness Justice Ryan warned about.
Fifteen years ago when my daughter was in middle school, the extent of an “inclusive” history of the U.S. and what used to be called social studies with regards to African Americans, was a whole week of essays on Martin Luther King, Jr.. The period of his life that was covered was from Montgomery to Memphis. That’s it. When I tried to fill in the blanks and give her some context, my daughter let me know that racism and slavery is ancient history. . . it is not her history and is basically “irrelevant.” I opened both barrels and made her sit and listen to as many sordid details of what African Americans endured for over three hundred years that I could think of. Then I pointed out every single experience that I had and that my parents had and this was after we were supposedly "set free." She didn't know what Jim Crow meant. I told her that she must never forget and never let anyone minimize or neutralize the truth, the awful, ugly truth. It makes it easier to do it again.
Joined: Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:38 pm Posts: 5087 Location: in the universal flow
acparker wrote:
Fifteen years ago when my daughter was in middle school, the extent of an “inclusive” history of the U.S. and what used to be called social studies with regards to African Americans, was a whole week of essays on Martin Luther King, Jr.. The period of his life that was covered was from Montgomery to Memphis. That’s it. When I tried to fill in the blanks and give her some context, my daughter let me know that racism and slavery is ancient history. . . it is not her history and is basically “irrelevant.” I opened both barrels and made her sit and listen to as many sordid details of what African Americans endured for over three hundred years that I could think of. Then I pointed out every single experience that I had and that my parents had and this was after we were supposedly "set free." She didn't know what Jim Crow meant. I told her that she must never forget and never let anyone minimize or neutralize the truth, the awful, ugly truth. It makes it easier to do it again.
excellent points! thank you for making them and welcome!
In Portland OR Randi's show airs on KPOJ, they do a great job of promoting progressive businesses, top among the KPOJ advertisers spreading the word to shop progressive is Tom Dwyer.
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Right on, just yesterday she and brodavid were discussing exactly this...
We need to do everything we can here to invite people and then make them want to stay...
Randi drew the nexus of OBL locating near retired Pakistani military, 35 miles from capital of Pakistan, in a custom built McMansion with 12' walls, one entrance, barbed wire, without phone, internet service (only couriers going in/out), since late 2005, but former President Bush was "just not interested in finding" OBL? Sounds like a good case for conspiracy to keep "terror alerts" going, and war in Iraq. Do former Presidents always get a free pass once they leave office on their nefarious deeds while in office?
This is definitely a horrible thing, but I take issue with some assumptions he makes. There are 1000s of ways to do things, and he makes many assumptions stating there's only 1 or 2 ways sometimes, or "looking at the source" code is how to determine if it's there or not, and only later seemingly in passing admits that there's no way to determine what code was actually running on the machine during the events, even decompiling it now (which is not fun, trust me), gives no assurances of an honest process, either now or in the future.
For example: When I ask a company for source code and they send it to me, I have no assurance that this is the actual code they're running in a production environment, that it's the latest version, or that it's not a modified version, etc... I usually don't have access to their actual servers and environments (and even if I did, I still would not have access to their source code without locating the correct programs (which can also be problematic in and of itself!) and decompiling them.)
He does mention the need for bi-partisan review of the voting machine's code, however, the code needs to be OPEN SOURCE, for everyone -- there's no reason for it not to be; that way security experts will actually review it (not just the bozo contractors the government hires.) It needs to NOT AUTOMATICALLY DOWNLOAD UPDATES (as an update could happen right before a vote, and then undo itself via a second update right after a vote.)
Each vote should be cryptographically signed with an exact hash of the executable it's running against and a voter's private key (public/private key encryption is a good way to verify that a vote has not changed.) With the excutable's hash we know there is a bug or a hack that affects certain votes and we know which ones. Etc, etc... It should probably also sign the votes with the contractor's private key so that when we do find descrpencies we know EXACTLT who authorized that version of the code. True security will NOT be accomplished in 100 lines of code.
And the process is flawed as well: we need not just bi-partisan examination of source code, or open community examination, but also examination of the IMPLEMENTATION. There's no point if there's no way to verify live what source code the machine is viewing... (like I mentioned above)
Thirdly there are several other issues. What if the voting program is fine but another program, or service, or user process (even on another machine) goes through after the fact and modifies the votes on disk, before tabulation? There's no way to know a command isn't coming over the wire from somewhere (even if it's not for THAT program) and giving an instruction to SOMETHING for modifying the vote. -- We need ALL data passed to and from the machines to be logged and reviewable by the public -- and encryption can NOT be allowed in such communications, which is not feasable when you take the vast field stenography into account (just look at Tor, it masks it's traffic to look like firefox making http calls...)
Some of these problems, in part, are solved by cryptographic signatures, but there are also "social enginering" exploits to be aware of, holes in the signature workflow, and unconsidered attack surfaces, such as: at what point is the vote signed, the machine signing the vote will have access to the private key then, which is insecure, as the code could CACHE that value somewhere else for another program to pick up and play with...
Going away from computers is probably the best way to fix this (as heard earlier, counting paper votes is not really that big of a deal, or inefficient, as compared to the problems of keeping a computerized voting system "honest".)
Also: the votes need to NOT be anonymous -- it's the only way people can actually go and verify that their votes went through properly, and that the tabulated results match.
I have learned and I am not surprised at the rhetoric coming from the right. It still makes my head explode and I know I cant allow that to happen. It is important for me to note and to say out loud that all of this is a precursor to the summer of intense hate just before the general elections of 2012. Hold on folks it going to be a bumpy ride.
I can only hope that sense the mask of the right has come off the American public will see acknowledge it for what it truly is and act or vote in their own best interest, stop believing the snake oil salesman. Lets move ahead into the 21st century leaving behind the old fashioned Hate, Greed , and down right disrespect of people of color. We do get tired of it. I don't have cume by yah words to give anyone I can only show you an picture that speaks to how I am feeling shown below
I am so happy, no, grateful that I know Randi. It is because of her show that I continue to grow in the knowledge and understanding of our nation and its politics. After 2 years of listening faithfully I can thoughtfully share in political and social discussions about the current state of affairs and not fly into a rage at the stupid, idiots I live and work with.
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and I know I cant allow that to happen. It is important for me to note and to say out loud that all of this is a precursor to the summer of intense hate just before the general elections of 2012. Hold on folks it going to be a bumpy ride.
