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Sounds like the Яepubik front runner likes to take people private property and give it away, can't remember the "Marxist" Obama ever doing such a thing.

Texas landowners need not apply
The author of SB 18, the eminent domain bill, Sen. Craig Estes called it a carefully brokered deal with special interests, brokered behind closed doors before the session even started, and Texas property owners weren’t invited. The bill does NOTHING to protect landowners from having their land taken and handed to another private party in the name of a laundry list of ‘public uses,’ the cornerstone of the landmark Kelo case from which Texans remain unprotected. SB 18 also fails to protect property owners from eminent domain for economic development and blight, and that’s by design based on what the Legislature had in store later.

I can see I need to put up all the video from the 7 TTC meetings I attended a few years ago. When Rick Perry tried to hornswaggle private property owners into giving up their rights for the Trans Texas Corridor, the landowners turned out en masse to complain.

http://salon.glenrose.net/default.asp?v ... k&id=13872

I support eminent domain as a lawful power of the government, when used for public use (to create a national park, etc.)

When used to transfer property from one private owner to another, as the Kelo decision declared permissible in 2006, I think that is no longer eminent domain, it's just theft and transfer.

Now, this TTC could be considered public use, except so far everything I've read about suggests it will be a privatized toll road, with most tolls going to a private entity.

Seems like Perry agrees with Kelo, too.

Damn, and we thought Scott Walker was an insane DICTATOR? This system in Texas, has got to be the most dumb, evil, backwards, stupid, corrupt system in the world. And from what I'm hearing, this bulling, these thug like tactics that dumb down and warp their state, is exactly what they have planned for you and me, if this numb nuts Perry gets elected. When a old Texas BOY gets up there on the stage in Iowa, and says I'm for big business, and won't stand in their way, my first words out of my mouth is WHORE! This guy makes hookers look like a mom and pop operation. But the beauty of it is, CARL ROVE HATES HIS ASS, and will destroy him! And with this cowboy slinging all this WINK WINK racist $#it about Obama, I'll give him about maybe 6 months before he is burned out and done with the public. We already have freaks, nuts, and boobs, but now the Republicans are opening the door to a whole new level of well bought off, lazy, money hungry, corrupt to their pinky toe nails, dumb as a stump, poorly educated, but runs everything straight out of the DR. EVIL PLAYBOOK, had their rich daddy's buy their way through life and school, type of SUPER FREAKS!

End the reign of BUSH LIGHT NOW!

I agree with public use, but you are right, what Slick Perry has been doing is theft and redistribution of wealth.

Kelo is one of those decisions/issues that drive Tea baggers and Libertarians absolutely crazy - a litmus test issue for many of them. Out of the entire universe of possibly billions of issues, one of the two or three where I - and I assume a great many liberals - would be in agreement with them. And the Republican party LOVES the decision, and the practice.

Getting Perry, Romney, Santorum and some others to address it is the sort of thing that would send Tea baggers and Libbys screaming out with their hair on fire and furious. (Bachmann, on the other hand, would probably just be hilarious - like Palin discussing international diplomacy.) I'd LOVE to see it come up at a debate and watch the TBs and Libs with their mouths hanging open. Again, for many it's a litmus test issue, and the Tea baggers would REALLY be stuck.

Well, look. Some of the Right-Libbertards believe private property is the ultimate right that trumps all other rights, including to a clean environment or to the general welfare.

So they oppose eminent domain in all cases, and refuse to allow the government to seize private property for any reason.

In fact, its very existence makes them froth at the mouth, since to them "the public" does not exist, therefore there cannot be any "public purpose" to which someone's private property might be put.

What's insidious about the Kelo decision, as I pointed out to conservatives who came raging to liberal boards to blame "us" for that awful decision, is that it basically changed the very way eminent domain has been used for more than a century.

A corporation wants your house and land to build a mega-strip mall? They simply get local government to seize it through eminent domain, then transfer it to them. This completely subverts the purpose of eminent domain, and is yet another form of corporatism run amok. THAT's why liberals oppose it.

I am intensely curious about this. On what possible basis can that horror be attributed to LIBERALS? Obviously, the argument cannot make any sense whatsoever, but I am very curious to hear it, because I've never heard the LEFT blamed for it before.




A tiny, hyper-technical quibble. At the time of the decision, ED was being used to to take away private property and turn it over to developers (or to THREATEN eminnent domain and force the owners into negotiations) for almost 20 years, with the popularity of the practice growing by leaps and bounds across the country. (Popular among developers and cities willing to act like jackasses trying to outbid one another, I mean.)

It had been going on a long time. It's just that one "deal" finally ran up against someone who had the wherewithal to fight it all the way to the SCOTUS, and the SCOTUS rewarded them by screwing them to the wall - along with the rest of us.

A LOT of this going on in Seattle.

They took a really neat business that had a unique norwegian-american architecture, closed the business, claiming it was for a train stop (we have no trains really), bulldozed it, and now there's condos going up. It's happening everywhere in Ballard.

When this had a real head of steam a few years back, I often remarked "Coming soon, the ghetto of tomorrow."

All these condos, so many are empty, and they keep building them and ripping out the businesses.

Well, because dear B., we're the Big Gummint, hate-property rights people, and so clearly we must be to blame.

To un-clear thinking conservatives, anyway.



Point taken, but I would say the key problem is once again now that the practice has the imprimatur of the highest court in the land, now it's going to proceed ahead at warp speed, whereas before then there were at least lower-level debates about its legality.

We got a tiny bit of good news here in CA, in that Gov. Brown finally got so desperate for revenues that he may have actually managed to essentially kill redevelopment agencies (until someone else resurrects them). And aside from gobbling up property tax revenues to hand over to developers, RDAs have - in CA - been the ones who just LOVE to use ED, or the threat of it, to turn private property over to new owners, often for token $1 payments.

Millions upon millions upon millions of dollars worth of property taken by local governments, and then literally given to poor, needy shopping mall, football stadium and condo-building developers.

Hey guys, the next time you run up on or hear one of your friends say that they are pissed off at, or done with Obama, just show them BACHMANN OR PERRY'S FACES! And then slowly go over what these mental midgets have planned for this country, and how dumb they really are. And if they can't get their asses motivated to vote for the man next year, then I guess they'll love living in the All American version of a fascist, CORPORATE, DICTATORSHIP! Those folks they have running, are CRUEL, and VERY, VERY, VERY Dangerous to the world! They scare the $#IT out of me! But it is that fear, that motivates me, TO FIND A WAY TO DEFEAT THEM, in some kind of way.