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Pottery invented in China 20K years ago, sorry creationists


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The oldest known samples of pottery have been unearthed in southern China.

The US archaeologists involved have determined that fragments from a large bowl found in Xianrendong Cave, Jiangxi Province, are 20,000 years old.

The discovery, published in the journal Science, is the latest in recent years that have pushed back the invention of pottery by 10,000 years.

It is thought that the bowl was a cauldron to cook food, or possibly to brew alcohol.

Until recently, the majority view was that pottery bowls and drink receptacles were invented after the emergence of agriculture, when people began to stay in one place for long periods.

Part of the reasoning was that pottery items are large and breakable, and so not a useful technology for hunter-gatherer societies that moved from place to place in search of food.
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People were gathering together in larger groups and you needed social activities to mitigate against increased tensions. Maybe the potteries were used to brew alcohol”

Prof Gideon Shelach Hebrew University

But in the past 10 years, researchers have found instances of pottery pre-dating agriculture.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18602281

20,000 years ago. Why is this date significant? Because the creationists keep saying the Earth is 6000 to 10,000 years ago.

I was debating whether to put this thread under religion or science.

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Can't hunter/gatherer societies also be stationary? I mean if they lived in a lush rainforest with ample non-agricultural food, why stomp all over the place. Stay home and make beer. :)

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In the rainforest, horticulturalists practice a kind of agriculture called "swidden" (slash-and-burn/shifting cultivation). It also involves a lot of moving around.

It's a bad idea to stand still in the rainforest. Too many things wanting to eat you, from small to big.

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In the rainforest, horticulturalists practice a kind of agriculture called "swidden" (slash-and-burn/shifting cultivation). It also involves a lot of moving around.

It's a bad idea to stand still in the rainforest. Too many things wanting to eat you, from small to big.


And if what comes from outside doesn't get you what comes from withing surely will. Without the advantage of a sophisticated system for handling wastes and enough discipline from high to low withing the entire society to utilize that system effectively failing to move about leaves you basically sitting in your own shit and waiting to die of sepsis.

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In the rainforest, horticulturalists practice a kind of agriculture called "swidden" (slash-and-burn/shifting cultivation). It also involves a lot of moving around.

It's a bad idea to stand still in the rainforest. Too many things wanting to eat you, from small to big.

For shame! Eat them first!

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20,000 years ago. Why is this date significant? Because the creationists keep saying the Earth is 6000 to 10,000 years ago.


Bear in mind that creationists will not accept any form of dating (radiocarbon, geological, etc.) which would disprove their preconceived notions. They will tell you that carbon-14 must have decayed at a different rate in the past, completely disproving scientific evidence that goes against the Bible (or their interpretation thereof). Just God trolling the evil atheist scientists again.... :lol:

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